Question:
Why is the person who had the affair always the bad person?
Woka
2009-09-24 01:29:43 UTC
I know there are already 400 things going threw your brain in answering this question, but please sit and think about it. The cheater is always seen as the bad person and yes I can understand that at times that is the case.

However what about the person who cheated after talking and talking and asking for change, and doingcounselingg???? Begging pleading, how much does a person need to do in order to assist with the change required?

Do you then say hell just get a divorce??? Or would it be easier for everyone all round, kids included that they had a couple more years with a together family than one which has split up?

When is enough, enough????
Seventeen answers:
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2009-09-24 05:01:06 UTC
Hi W,



I say no, the cheating spouse is only half the problem, but why are you asking? It sounds like u need help in your marriage with a spouse who won't change.



R u are thinking of cheating as a solution to remain in the marriage for the kids? I think that is what u r considering. Please don't take my question as judgement, I am simply trying to clarify...



There are many people who flat out say it is wrong. So keep that in mind.



In some people's minds, you will be judged for cheating forever, like say in laws, neighbors or pto members, etc) Esp as a woman. sad but true. There are double standards and women are held to higher standards than men.



Every situation is different. But what might seem like an easy temporary bandaide can actually make your life a living hell. It might work but usually it just makes things worse. BTDT.



So in my opinion and experience, it's not wrong, but also it is not the best solution either.



My situation sounds somewhat like yours. I struggled for years to get my husband to stop gambling and take a day job that would give us family time. I was very unhappy, tired of bailing him out and being alone much of the time. I was like a single mom, struggling to work and pay the bills, he was never around.



I begged, cried and pleaded with him to change. His solution, have another baby. This just delayed the whole sad process. My counselor suggested an affair. I can tell you now, that was not good advice.



I got good advice way after I made a big mess of my life. IF I had gotten the good advice sooner and just taken out say six months to a year to do the following, then I think things might have resolved more smoothly and with much less drama and heart ache.



The advice was from a man who was a PHD in Psych. He said give your spouse a WRITTEN ultimatum, LISTING EXACTLY what you'd like to see happen. Put very short TIME LIMITS for change and spell out CONSEQUENCES of what will HAPPEN if they don't change. Like you will leave, or seperate or whatever will make you happier.



THEN if they make half hearted attempts or don't meet ALL of your expectations, then FOLLOW through with NO GUILT.



Sadly, after you are out the door is when you are likely to see results, when they see you mean business and are on to a new life. Sad but true. And if you wait too long and or have an affair there is no way you will be willing to go back to them. So if there is some hope in you that things may work out, then try this first.



And while you have given your ultilatum, consider getting counseling for yourself, build a support system, start considering if you are being codependent in looking to them for what you want and need in life.



Start focusing on making the life U want. And let them see u happier.



Start building a seperate life for yourself, socially, financially and Detach yourself emotionally.



This is something about men they usually love u more when u leave.



At this point, most men suddenly get the point and make pathetic attempts at change. After it is way too late.



ps as a product of two divorces, the one that happened earlier in my life (before age 8) was easier than the one that happened later( after age 13).
Joanne
2016-05-21 03:40:58 UTC
Sweetie every relationship in the world is different and things happen between people but it doesn't mean they are a bad people. When couples are happy in their marriage and right about it no one or nothing can come between it. Often marriages all start out with their best intentions at heart but then people change and the marriage just fails. It always takes two when it happens and it just came down to the fact that your husband was not happy in his first marriage. Things are working for the two of you though and that is good and don't believe it that once a cheater always a cheater because each marriage and the two people in it are different. My husband and I have been together for 20 years and we do really great together and both have been in long term marriages before. We met when the timing wasn't just right either but we wouldn't change it for the world.
ba
2009-09-24 01:47:06 UTC
I agree with the posters who say that kids are smarter than you think, and that you're providing a bad role model. And I agree that the kids are just an excuse. I think that it's awfully hard to get a divorce, and it's financially harder to live as a divorced person, and even if you were right some people would see you as rotten, and ... I have to wonder if he's all that bad, and you know it-it's just that he isn't what you want him to be-and you know you would look bad for divorcing him. If you were unhappy, and willing to divorce, and you're selfish enough to have an affair, I have to believe you'd be willing to break up the family if it worked in your favor.



Sorry if I called t his wrong, bc I know I used a big bullet.
fire_inur_eyes
2009-09-24 01:39:35 UTC
A CHEATER is dishonest--uncaring--immature--and using any excuses makes it all that much worse. there is NEVER a reason to cheat or have an affair. It is a betrayal--it is dangerous--it is stupid. the person who gets involved and knowingly goes with a cheater--is just as wrong and usually is a low life creep as well. You want change--then get change--get rid of what is not working. KIDS ARE NEVER AN EXCUSE. get the divorce and get a new life. You aren't doing the kids a favor by cheating. You are setting a really bad example.
Cat
2009-09-24 01:43:55 UTC
Enough is enough when you decide it is.



My husband, about a year ago, told another (married) woman that he was in love with her. Their relationship never progressed, due in part (I'm sure) to me finding out. I was incredibly angry with him for a long time, but he was NOT the bad guy. We were just two people, married, and something happened that made us re-evaluate our relationship. He had his reasons, and I can't tell him those reasons were wrong. We've both done the talking and asking for change and counseling and whatnot. We were coming at our marriage from two different sides, and it quickly turned into a combative and bitter situation.



I still feel betrayed, but mostly I recognize that I helped create a situation in which he felt it was okay to tell another woman he was in love with her. There weren't any innocent parties - I don't think there ever are.



So...a qualified no - under the circumstances you've put forth, I'd say that cheating is something that happened, and not so much something one person "did" to another.
eagledreams
2009-09-24 01:54:35 UTC
I don't believe the cheater is a bad person necessarily but I do believe that it messes with minds. The mind of a person who has cheated becomes tainted and their self image becomes warped. It is every bit as much about the damage a cheater does to themselves as to other people. Happy outcomes are not the norm. Children suffer and think of a parent differently. The partner suffers. So all in all it is not something to be jumped on with any form of self righteous reasoning.

The adult world is complex and the pitfalls many and part of being mature is being able to be honest in approach to what is in our path.
artfull
2009-09-24 01:42:53 UTC
So I am not the only one - that runs through my head every agonizing day of the week.... I dont believe in cheating as I have seen my brother cheating on their wives and the results.. but now find myself in the situation where through no fault of my own .. my wife has shutdown all communication and affection and even though I desire her beyond belief I am out in the cold.. The choice is leave my kids and wife to find some personal happiness or have an affair just to make life bearable so my kids dont suffer.. and yes we are doing the marriage counselling thing at $150 a pop.. and nothing is changing.. four years I have been trying to get through to her... so how can cheating be wrong now... I am with you brother.. good luck
Watermelon Head
2009-09-24 01:47:20 UTC
BECAUSE HAVING AN AFFAIR IS A BAD THING.



problems are not an excuse for an affair. even if the other party won't do anything. even if they are abusive or won't accept counselling. even if they smell horrible, throw things and weigh 300kg.



all those things are excuse for DIVORCE. unless this is some primitive relationship whereby the female can't leave because her family will honour kill her, there is no excuse for not divorce.



DIVORCE is better for children than CHEATING. if one parent cheats it will probably be eventually found out and then how will the kids feel?



I don't care how awful the other spouse is, cheating is not the best option. it doesn't fix any of the problems, does it? it makes the angry, unco-operative spouse even more angry and co-operative.
anonymous
2009-09-24 02:37:35 UTC
Because the cheater has the choice to wait until they're no longer in a relationship to see other people. Of course that doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. It's okay to be wrong as long as you stop doing it and learn from your mistakes.
Oh, brilliant. -_-
2009-09-24 01:40:05 UTC
It all depends on each person's prespective. I wouldn't tolerate cheating and I wouldn't go to any counceling to "make things better". I know myself enough to be aware that no amount of "help" would make me get rid of the distrust, the betrayal, the hurt. If it happens, it's over for me. And honestly, if my husband ever cheated, he wouldn't be worth the effort. But that's just my personal view of things, there are women/men out there who have it in their hearts to forgive infidelity and give second or third chances. If that's what they want, good for them, whatever makes them happy.
anonymous
2009-09-24 02:05:50 UTC
CHEATING IS WRONG!!!!!! it doesnt matter if there are problems in a marriage. cheating is not an excuse. if the marriage is over then you owe it to the other person to call things off. the whole point of getting married is to work at your problems and if you cant resolve them move on...........
anonymous
2009-09-24 03:16:37 UTC
i have been there,,met a guy while just seperated from ex,,had intense relationship with him,tried everything possible to work things out with ex,,we get on ok now!but he drank too much,stayed out all hours,was verbally nasty for years,and hurt me real bad,,so i seen other guy,only for him to be an immature asshole too(he is dumped now)best staying single if you ask me
no BS man
2009-09-24 01:38:48 UTC
Kids aren't stupid. It's much worse to live amongst a dysfunctional mom-dad, than to have a separated or divorced mom-dad who are happy and relieved.
anonymous
2009-09-24 01:38:20 UTC
your problem is that your expecting him to change. your still married to him you owe it to him to not sleep with anyone else. i have been there and done that hun. Just respect him. be there for him. If he keeps cheating then get your d-i-v-o-r-c-e cause he doesn't love you, but don't bail on him till your sure he wont change. also don't sleep with him until he really shows signs of change. no need for you to get vd or pregnant
anonymous
2009-09-24 01:46:05 UTC
When a man is having an affair it is because his wife did not put out what he required of her.
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2009-09-24 02:32:55 UTC
ask yourself. is it worth saving.
anonymous
2009-09-24 01:40:41 UTC
just dump him and move on


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