Question:
Is it against the law to tape reccord a conversation between my ex husband and my 11 year old son.?
lambie
2007-12-25 07:30:00 UTC
My ex husband is trying to turn my son against me, is an alcoholic and emotionally abuses him. My son is aware that the conversations are being taped for his protection. I am just doing this temporaily until I can get into court for supervised visitation.
25 answers:
Mia
2007-12-25 07:33:12 UTC
here its illegal to tape record a conversation w.o the other party knowledge
nuts4tv
2007-12-25 17:33:24 UTC
Please get true legal counsel on this. Not knowing your locale, this question is hard to answer,,, But, in the US, most states will not allow this practice without both parties aware that a recording is being made (wire-tapping). If this were in person, only ONE person would have to know, (usually the person with the recorder or 'wire'). Protecting your son is a great cause. Don't get yourself in deeper trouble by breaking federal laws. Talk to your divorce lawyer for true advise.
allrightythen
2007-12-25 16:48:01 UTC
what is legal depends on your state's specific laws.



Although in some cases I agree with taping, what I don't agree with is lettting the child(ren) know. All it is by telling them is a form of what you are upset that your ex is doing, trying to turn the child against dad.



Here is a website that lists each state's laws - http://www.rcfp.org/taping/



Be advised, if you are taping illegally, and he finds out about it - he can press federal charges agaisnt you. It has happened.
J D
2007-12-25 17:01:49 UTC
How would you react to your ex taping your conversations with your son? You both need to realize that your son needs BOTH parents. If anyone is turning your son against the other parent, it is you. What do you think it says to your son about his father when you enlist him in your battle against his father? That's a horrible thing to do. I feel sorry for the child in this mess.
Dani Bosco
2007-12-25 17:07:48 UTC
In Ohio it is legal to tape a conversation between 2 people if one of the persons is you. I am in a similar situation and I understand. Good luck to you but check with an attorney in your state.
delux_version
2007-12-25 15:53:14 UTC
Of course it's illegal! It's called breech of privacy. To tell you the truth he needs to record the conversations between your son and you! You just said your son is aware of this recording process which means "you" have manipulated the conversation to make your ex look poorly. THAT'S JUST AS MUCH EMOTIONAL ABUSE AS YOU ARE ALLEGING!!! When are you people going to grow up and see that this using the kids to hurt each other only hurts the child. "You" may have already done damage to his psyche. If I knew who you were I would turn you in myself. Shame on you!
madcat
2007-12-25 15:50:06 UTC
Shame, shame, shame, shame on you. For using your son as an intelligence gatherer.



And sorry, don't buy much of your stuff. Two sides to every story. Sounds like the typical old he said, she said situation. Trying to convince the court how evil the other parent is. Sheesh.



Things will work out, and if parental alienation is suspected, the court can be made aware, and an psychological evaluation can take place, to see if any of this is happening.
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:39:38 UTC
Well...



You couldn't use the evidence in court (because you legally need to have the permission of the people you are recording to do record them... but...)



It could be used to show or convince concerned court parties "outside of court" that you have good reason to be worried...if the conversations you're recording are "damning" in some way...also...remember...



It's not against the law to "emotionally" abuse someone...



It's only against the law to "physically" abuse them...



And there's reason for that...



"Emotional" abuse is highly suspect to "subjectiveness..."



One person's "emotional abuse" may be another's "mild consternation and acceptance of a person's major character flaws..." and may not be as bad as it seems through the eyes of someone like...oh...let's just say...



An eleven year old kid...



When I was eleven...I noticed a lot of people used to think us kids were in danger from something like that...when in fact, we were simply "annoyed" or "pissed off" about it...NOT "abused" by it...



So if he's not "physically" abusing the kid...



You don't have much of a case to stand on...(except drunken bouts of violence against inanimate objects...fists through walls, broken furniture and fixtures...THAT kind of abuse IS against the law...so if he's doing that...you got a case...)
Little B
2007-12-25 15:37:32 UTC
Sounds unethical, and tape recordings dont hold up in a court of law .Your not telling the whole story so its hard to understand the depth of the situation. It sounds like your trying to rationalize your behaviors through yahoo answers.My advise is to not use the child to get back at your ex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
carriegreen13
2007-12-25 16:24:24 UTC
Directing the Tape-Recording of Phone Conversations





by

Candice M. Hojan, Senior Assistant Director

Minnesota Office of Lawyers Professional Responsibility







Reprinted from Minnesota Lawyer (October 2, 2000)



In 1996, the Minnesota Lawyers Professional Responsibility Board (LPRB) adopted Opinion 18, which prohibits an attorney’s tape-recording of telephone conversations without the knowledge of the other party to the conversation. LPRB Opinion 18 provided exceptions to the broadly stated rule, and left many questions, which often fall to the Office of Lawyers Professional Responsibility advisory opinion service to answer.



One question that has been asked about Opinion 18 is whether an attorney can advise a divorce client to tape-record a child’s phone conversations with the adverse party. Perhaps the mother has temporary custody, but suspects that the father is trying to undermine her authority with the child.



Perhaps the noncustodial parent makes disclosures to the child and tells the child not to tell the custodial parent. Perhaps the safety and security of the child truly is at stake. Many arguments are made in support of surreptitious taping. However, more often than not, one party is attempting to gain an advantage by catching the other side unaware and in a compromised position.



Arizona has recently provided an answer to the question of whether an attorney may recommend that the client record telephone conversations between a minor child and the other parent and has opined that the attorney should not advise the divorce client to tape-record the child’s phone calls with the other party. (Arizona State Bar Comm. on the Rules of Professional Conduct, Op. 2000-04, 3/00.) Would the Minnesota disciplinary system give the same answer? LPRB Opinion 18 reads as follows:



It is professional misconduct for a lawyer, in connection with the lawyer's professional activities, to record any conversation without the knowledge of all parties to the conversation, provided as follows:



1. This opinion does not prohibit a lawyer from recording a threat to engage in criminal conduct;



2. This opinion does not prohibit a lawyer engaged in the prosecution or defense of a criminal matter from recording a conversation without the knowledge of all parties to the conversation;



3. This opinion does not prohibit a government lawyer charged with civil law enforcement authority from making or directing others to make a recording of a conversation without the knowledge of all parties to the conversation;



4. This opinion does not prohibit a lawyer from giving legal advice about the legality of recording a conversation.



In contrast, note that Minnesota statutory law allows tape-recording of conversations with consent of one party to the conversation.



Arizona, prior to March 2000, followed Ariz. Op. 95-03, holding that it is unethical conduct for counsel to surreptitiously record opposing counsel and Ariz. Op. 75-13, holding that it is improper for a lawyer to surreptitiously record any conversation between the lawyer and another person, except in limited circumstances, or between third persons. The exceptions in Ariz. Op. 75-13 are the same as those set out in LPRB Opinion 18. Arizona has adopted the Rules of Professional Conduct, as has Minnesota. In addition, Arizona law allowed for the recording of conversations with consent of one party. Thus, Arizona and Minnesota used the same underlying ethics rules and opinions and had the same statutory law concerning tape-recording of conversations prior to March 2000.



Ariz. Op. 2000-04 considered the following scenario. The client is a divorced parent. In good faith, your client (parent #1) believes that during telephone conversations between the child and parent #2, parent #2 is undermining the child’s relationship with parent #1, your client. After the conversations, the child demonstrates severe emotional upset, often lasting for hours. Note that the factual scenario is not dependent upon who is the custodial parent. Note, also, that the consent of the child, or at least the consent of the client-parent, is presumed, so that the tape-recording is not in violation of state or federal law.



The Arizona opinion holds that directing such tape-recording violates Rules 8.4(a) and (c), which prohibit an attorney violating the rules through the acts of another and which prohibit conduct involving fraud, deceit or misrepresentation. The opinion also notes that the whole point of not disclosing the recording of the conversation is to capture the other party on tape making a statement that would likely not otherwise be made if the taping were revealed. As to the uninformed party, the taping is deceitful.



As a result, although such recording may not be illegal, the opinion holds it is unethical. An attorney’s advice to a client to tape-record conversations between the other parent and a child in which only one of the parties to the conversation is aware of being recorded violates Arizona’s ethics rules.



The Minnesota Lawyers Professional Responsibility Board has not issued an opinion on this factual scenario. To date, the Director’s Office has not sought public or private discipline on similar facts. However, in telephone advisory opinions the advice given by the office comports with the recent Arizona opinion: it may be legal, but it’s not ethical.
gogogadgetlonglegs
2007-12-25 15:33:20 UTC
I took a media class and if I remember correctly, it is legal to tape record a conversation as long as one of the parties involved knows it's being recorded.
anonymous
2007-12-25 16:30:35 UTC
Listen with two more friends as witnesses. You are monitoring your son's activity on the phone.
Hirise bill
2007-12-25 15:36:26 UTC
Any taped conversations can not be used in court.
josephine
2007-12-25 15:34:02 UTC
I believe that it is not illegal as long as all of the video taping goes on INSIDE your house or on your house's property. anything off of that is illegal without a permit.
den d
2007-12-25 15:36:17 UTC
water gate taping of conversations without consent or knowledge of by both parties is illegal and unless the cops are doing it lol
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:51:09 UTC
You should be put in jail for violating your ex husband's right to privacy! Yeah, it's against the law!
ForestGirl20
2007-12-25 15:33:52 UTC
I 'm pretty sure that oyu can record these convos because your son knows about it, and you are just trying to protect him. This will be hard evidence against your husband when you do go to court. Just make sure that he doesn't find out before then.
anonymous
2007-12-25 20:51:58 UTC
I don't belive so, if the childs well-being hangs in the balance.
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:33:20 UTC
Yes, it's illegal to tape someone without their consent, and you'd never be able to admit them as evidence.
jo j
2007-12-25 15:35:06 UTC
nope, go with your guts hun you have every right to try to be comfortable around YOUR son if you happen see anything wrong well you can have enough evidence (if its a big deal) to get a restraining order but even i wouldnt go that far.



-merry christmas(:
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:33:43 UTC
Ask Alec Baldwin.
Deus Luminarium
2007-12-25 15:49:42 UTC
Only a ***** would use her child to get back at her ex.
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:34:25 UTC
If they don't know they are being recorded then yes.
anonymous
2007-12-25 15:33:17 UTC
I can not believe you would subject your own son to this just to get back at his father, grow up. what a horrible notion and on xmas too, you should be ashamed at yourself.
Travel Agent Girl
2007-12-25 15:32:46 UTC
ofcourse it legal women .. its for your sons protection ...


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